After we dropped S off we talked continued to talk about relationships, but the focus changed to the boy's relationships with each other and with me.

The boy's agreed they have a fairly "normal" brother relationship.  I would say that for the most part this is true.  Middle Boy can be a little over-the-top controlling and Younger Boy might play the victim a little more than some, but otherwise pretty standard.

Younger Boy said the biggest barrier in his relationship with me is his lying.  That's probably true.

Middle Boy thinks in our relationship it is his pushing boundaries and his deceitfulness.

I would say that neither trust me...AT ALL.  They both say they do, but it is SO EVIDENT that they don't.

It was an interesting discussion...initiated by Middle Boy.

Praises for openness and willingness to work on our relationship.